在气候变暖海洋保证温暖,无论吸收LW辐射吗?- 江南体育网页版- - - - -地球科学堆江南电子竞技平台栈交换 最近30从www.hoelymoley.com 2023 - 07 - 10 - t15:23:07z //www.hoelymoley.com/feeds/question/10138 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/rdf //www.hoelymoley.com/q/10138 6 在气候变暖海洋保证温暖,无论吸收LW辐射吗? 保罗•米勒 //www.hoelymoley.com/users/7920 2017 - 04 - 17 - t12:04:23z 2017 - 05 - 05 - t17:40:48z < p >更具体地说,我见过一些讨论这篇文章的:< / p > < p > < a href = " http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/09/why-greenhouse-gases-heat-the-ocean/ " rel = " noreferrer " > http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/09/why-greenhouse-gases-heat-the-ocean/ < / > < / p > < p >宣称海洋观测海洋变暖是由皮肤吸收长波辐射。我问的是:这是机制发生海洋变暖的必要吗?我天真的理解是,我们增加温室效应的大小意味着有更少的辐射escapting空间,因此平均温度的整个海洋+地球大气系统将会增加,直到达到一个新的平衡,在即将离任的辐射又等于传入的。这是正确的吗?如果是这样,它不是意味着海洋也必须得到温暖,仅仅因为它是一个热耦合整个变暖系统的一部分吗?我曾有人告诉我,大气变暖不能温暖海洋超出一个无限小的数量,因为大气热容低得多。但在我看来,限制最终equibilibrium温度意味着所有组件必须温暖,无论多么低效它们之间的能量传递方式——只要有某种形式的能量转移,增加整体的温度必须增加每个组件。我说的对,还是我误解了? < / p > //www.hoelymoley.com/questions/10138/-/10151 # 10151 2 userLTK回答的是气候变暖的海洋保证温暖,无论吸收LW辐射吗? userLTK //www.hoelymoley.com/users/2717 2017 - 04 - 18 - t22:17:47z 2017 - 04 - 19 - t18:25:19z < blockquote > < p >我的天真的理解是,我们增加温室效应的大小意味着有更少的辐射escapting空间< / p > < /引用> < p > 100%的正确。如果我们假定常数太阳能输入,只有两种方法可以改变地球表面的温度。反照率和热辐射。温室气体驱动气候变化意味着什么你说——更少的热量辐射地球进入太空。大部分的热量进入海洋。< / p > < blockquote > < p >如果是这样,它不是意味着海洋也必须得到温暖,仅仅因为它是一个热耦合整个变暖系统的一部分吗?我曾有人告诉我,大气变暖不能温暖海洋超出一个无限小的数量,因为大气热容低得多。< / p > < /引用> < p >你的朋友是对了一半,一半错。空气多一点1/4th热容比水密度较低800倍,所以他是正确的,但它不是那么简单。< / p > < p >阳光,有点反直觉,不是伟大的海洋变暖,因为从太阳光光子的能量足够大,水分子蒸发成气体分子。海洋低反照率意味着他们从阳光下吸收大部分的能量,但大部分蒸发的热量丢失可见光光子。 While that has nothing to do with your question, it's worth pointing out that sunlight isn't as good at warming oceans as one might think. (If anyone has one of those solar mirror ovens, I'd be curious to see how well they work on pure water . . . just out of curiosity, evaporation loss vs rate of warming).

The back-radiation from the atmosphere is comparatively much less total solar energy, but oceans are good at absorbing and storing thermal back-radiation reflected back off the greenhouse gas rich atmosphere into the ocean. This is a tiny amount of the total heat Earth gets from sunlight, and the increase of this radiation due to greenhouse gas is a fraction of one percent of solar energy, but it adds up.

One way to explain this is that 85 degree air will warm 80 degree water. That's a thermodynamic law. It just takes a while and because the heat capacity and density of water is much greater, it takes about 4 liters of air to give 1 degree back to warm 1 cc of water 1 degree. But despite the inefficiency, warmer air still transfers heat into colder water. It takes many decades, perhaps centuries, for the oceans to catch up to the warming air, but air, however inefficiently, does warm the oceans.

The quirk in this, is that the oceans, despite warming much more slowly than the air, are still absorbing over 90% of the trapped heat added by the increase in greenhouse gas. It's a matter of scale. Oceans warm slowly because they're enormous and always circulating and it takes much more energy to war them, but they also absorb most of the heat, for the same reason, they're very good at holding heat. Slow to heat up, but also, slow to cool down. That's why bodies of water often feel warm when you go swimming at night.

I should probably add something about increased evaporation in higher air temperature, which effectively cools the oceans and surface air, but also increases the greenhouse effect with an increase in water vapor, but running those numbers is a bit over my pay-grade. The greater efect is the one mentioned above.

//www.hoelymoley.com/questions/10138/-/10153 # 10153 2 回答通过旋钮抓痕是在气候变暖海洋保证温暖,无论吸收LW辐射吗? 旋钮刮子 //www.hoelymoley.com/users/7333 2017 - 04 - 19 - t04:44:14z 2017 - 04 - 19 - t04:44:14z < blockquote > < p >,简而言之,简单的传导空气水。< / p > < /引用> < p >没有....这不是那么简单.....远非如此。事实上,有一些相当复杂的过程同时发生,其中没有一个涉及到简单的将热量从热空气凉爽的海水,userLTK如上所述,以上。从怀疑科学:< br > < a href = " https://www.skepticalscience.com/How-Increasing-Carbon-Dioxide-Heats-The-Ocean.html " rel = " nofollow noreferrer " >如何增加二氧化碳加热海洋< / > < / p > < p > <强> < em >阳光穿透表面的海洋变暖负责表面的层。一旦加热,比上面的大气海洋表面变得温暖,因此热量流动从温暖的海洋上面的阴凉。< / em > < /强> < / p > < p >但是真的,你应该阅读整个文本的解释过程,导致变暖的海洋。另一个重要的资源是在斯克里普斯海洋研究所的发现:< / p > < p > < a href = " http://scrippsscholars.ucsd.edu/vramanathan/content/physics-greenhouse-effect-and-convection-warm-oceans " rel = " nofollow noreferrer " >物理的温室效应和对流在温暖的海洋< / > < / p > < p > <强> < em >平均对流区域更潮湿,陷阱更长波辐射,并释放出更多的辐射到海面。温室效应的地区的对流是古典思想,也就是说,随着风场的增加,大气中的陷阱表面发出的长波能量过剩,再反射回本地海洋表面。重要的背离经典照片是净(-)通量在表面和奕奕、大气与增加SST降低;即表面和surface-troposphere列失去多余的能量辐射到空间的能力。< / em > < /强> < / p >

The cause of this super greenhouse effect at the surface is the rapid increase in the lower-troposphere humidity with SST; that of the column is due to a combination of increase in humidity in the entire column and increase in the lapse rate within the lower troposphere. The increase in the vertical distribution of humidity far exceeds that which can be attributed to the temperature dependence of saturation vapor pressure; that is, the tropospheric relative humidity is larger in convective regions.

//www.hoelymoley.com/questions/10138/-/10308 # 10308 5 埃米尔Junvik回答的是气候变暖的海洋保证温暖,无论吸收LW辐射吗? 埃米尔Junvik //www.hoelymoley.com/users/8095 2017 - 05 - 05 - t17:40:48z 2017 - 05 - 05 - t17:40:48z < p >首先,我们需要看看你的问题是基于事实的。如果气候系统中唯一的能源来自太阳,什么东西可以增加系统中的能量,其他比太阳吗?答案是:没有。增加温度需要增加释放热量的温度的强度增加。以来唯一的能量来源是太阳,我们怎么能增加强度,如果不是太阳辐照强度却增加了?这是一个令人惊讶的错误由整个气候科学。索赔是增加有效的< >强热吸收器< /强>将增加的强度从表面释放热量。如果你添加一个<强>热吸收器< / >强吸收热量从一个身体,它不能导致气候变暖。经常声称保留,或推迟热损失。根据热物理但这不可能是真的。 Preventing heat loss is exactly what we do by insulating the boundary of the system we want to stay warm. Thermal insulation is a logic simple thing, you can read about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_insulation

"Thermal insulation provides a region of insulation in which thermal conduction is reduced or thermal radiation is reflected rather than absorbed by the lower-temperature body."

As you can see, it is without doubt very clearly stated, that preventing heat loss, or retaining heat, is done in the exact opposite way to what the theory of global warming claims. Absorption is what you want to avoid to prevent heat loss. There is a lot of things in the warming science-camp that indicate a lack of physics education in their field of science. Actually, every single argument in the greenhouse theory is a head-on violation of known, proven 100% consensus physics.

So, first of all, according to proven physics, it is highly unlikely that there is a warming climate at all. Secondly, the ocean cannot warm, if the amount of heat from the sun doesn´t increase. And we know that it doesn´t.

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