地球上的生命在我们之前-地球科学堆栈交换江南电子竞技平台江南体育网页版 最近30个来自www.hoelymoley.com 2023 - 04 - 01 - t07:36:14z //www.hoelymoley.com/feeds/question/1054 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/rdf //www.hoelymoley.com/q/1054 8 地球上比我们更早的生命 MxmastaMills //www.hoelymoley.com/users/542 2014 - 05 - 30 - t20:01:37z 2023 - 02 - 14 - t05:45:29z 我在几个地方看到,地球上似乎有一个大约2700万年的灭绝周期。我在这里读到过:

地球上的生命每2700万年就会灭绝一次(但我们还有大约1600万年才能到下一个)

上周也看到了关于宇宙的类似解释。由于地球的年龄约为45.4亿年,这意味着大约有168个不同的灭绝周期。据我所知,地球会在极端温度下变热或结冰,然后变冷或变暖,直到水和生命再次成为可能。< / p >

Given that this is correct (and definitely correct if I'm wrong, I'm eager to learn!), what are the chances there was a full civilization like ours that got completely wiped out in a different extinction cycle than ours? Is it possible or are there other factors in the history of our planet that would have prevented life from flourishing to the point that we are in now? I do understand that the factors of creating humans exactly like us are pretty drastically low but I suppose I'm referring to 'civilization' as intelligent life.

And a second part to the question, I know there are fossil records in the different layers of sedimentary rock but would there ever have possibly been an extinction event that ruined the Earth so drastically that it destroyed fossils and rocks (i.e. records of the past)? I've read that the oldest fossil found was 3.5 billion years old but it's not conclusive. Do we have a vast record of fossils and life that is billions of years old?

//www.hoelymoley.com/questions/1054/-/1057#1057 7 AlexLipp为我们之前的地球生命所做的回答 AlexLipp //www.hoelymoley.com/users/389 2014 - 05 - 31 - t07:26:11z 2014 - 05 - 31 - t21:16:34z 首先,我想声明,到目前为止,没有证据表明在我们之前,地球上曾出现过与我们类似的文明。很明显,我们作为一个物种已经留下了相当重要的地质足迹,(如果我们没有,考古学家就失业了!),到目前为止,我们还没有发现任何证据表明,一个文明不能用我们的物种或我们的近亲,如尼安德特人来解释。此外,这些证据完全包含在过去几十万年(在地质时间中非常近)。此外,“真核生物”生命形式的存在(如人类)需要氧气才能进行呼吸。如果我们看看地球大气中大部分氧气存在的证据,氧气纯粹是一种微量元素,根本不足以维持复杂的生命形式(正如我们所知道的!)这将表明,不仅没有证据表明复杂的生命形式存在,而且有证据表明,在地球历史的大部分时间里,复杂的生命形式根本不可能存在。

我们有数十亿年前的大量化石和生命记录吗?< / p >

Essentially, life on Earth before about 540 million years ago (The so called Cambrian 'Explosion') was a little boring, as in it was primary simple multi-cellular organisms that didn't have many hard parts (the bits that get recorded in the fossil record). Think like a sponge today. These kind of life forms have a pretty poor preservation potential as its called, so before about 550 million years ago the fossil record (in terms of actual fossils) is absolutely terrible.

However we do have existence of life before this time, despite this. For example the Stromatolites which go back 3.5GA. And while fossils as we think of them today are rare in this period, we have other evidence of life. For example, life has a habit of 'preferentially' uptaking certain isotopes of carbon, meaning that life leaves a so called isotopic signature in the geological record. These 'signatures' are not direct evidence and are known as 'proxies'.

So essentially we have no evidence of a civilization other than ours existing anywhere in Earth's history, and in fact life itself is pretty boring before about 540 million years ago.

//www.hoelymoley.com/questions/1054/-/1058#1058 9 大卫·哈门为我们之前的地球生命所作的回答 大卫Hammen //www.hoelymoley.com/users/239 2014 - 05 - 31 - t08:26:23z 2014 - 05 - 31 - t08:26:23z 你需要非常警惕非科学媒体上关于科学的任何文章。媒体喜欢讨好和争议,因为这些东西能吸引读者,进而获得广告收入。通过类比的方式,假设一个接近成年人在体育课上有人说:“我的运动鞋闻起来很臭。糟糕了!非常糟糕!”其他人不可避免地会闻一闻。如果情况很糟糕,非常非常糟糕,他会一边说,一边吐着嘴。其他人会说:“那么糟糕?你确定吗?把它递过去。”如果那只鞋真的闻起来比死还臭,那它应该很快就会在更衣室里传开。 (Apologies if you are female; females don't do stupid stuff like this.)

The non-scientific media love scientific articles that smell, particularly those articles that smell extremely bad. The media falls under the compulsion of passing these articles around. Good, solid journalism is sorely lacking nowadays. It's much easier to copy someone else's writing than it is to investigate. It's not plagiarism if the original source receives acknowledgement and a fee. You can typically trace those dubious reports that are all over the internet to a single source.

So what's the source of this 27 million year recurring extinction event figure? It's two men who keep peddling this conjecture every other year or so. Here's the article that caused this imbroglio:

A. Melott and R. Bambach, "Nemesis reconsidered," Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society: Letters, 407:1 99,102 (2010).


Rather than looking to the non-scientific media, it is much better to look to the scientific community and see how much credence they have given to this conjecture. The answer is essentially none. That article has received a grand total of seven (CrossRef), maybe nine (Web of Science) citations in the four years it has been in print. The vast majority of those are either self citations or citations by other fringe scientists who are pushing their own brand of woo. This hypothesis is viewed rather lightly by the scientific community.

Moral of the story: Don't believe everything you read on the internet.


Let's suppose your conjecture is true. What signs would we see of a prior civilization? If the civilization was sufficiently advanced we would see a depletion of resources. If that prior civilization had advanced to the stage of sending stuff into space, we wouldn't see iron where we see it now. We see iron in very, very old banded iron deposits. We don't see any anomalous iron deposits in what would have been cities millions and millions of years ago.

The same goes for coal and oil. Our first discoveries of oil and coil was stuff easily accessible from the surface. Easy pickings. Those easy pickings would not exist if some prior civilization had advanced to the Elizabethan stage, perhaps even Roman level.

What if some calamity had wiped out humanity 2000 years ago? 10,000 years ago? What would a future civilization see millions of years from now? That's a better question. The answer is not much. That future civilization might well not see anything at all. Archaeologists have found fossil records of our ancestors, but that's because we humans are driven to look for those ancestors. A future civilization might not find any fossil humanoids that exhibited a tripling in brain size in just a few million years.

That of course is assuming that intelligent life arose before humanity. That too is dubious. Evolution shows a more or less steady progression in brain size. Dinosaurs might not have been as dumb as people thought 50 years ago, but they were still pretty dumb. Their brains were reptilian. Science fiction writers love the idea of intelligent dinosaurs. That's a rather non-standard view amongst scientists.

//www.hoelymoley.com/questions/1054/-/24886#24886 0 由美国女性为我们之前的地球生命回答 美国女人 //www.hoelymoley.com/users/28479 2023 - 02年- 13 - t10:16:07z 2023 - 02年- 13 - t11:53:09z 我见过很多动物,比如大型猫和乌龟,它们在200万年前到5400万年前之间灭绝了,两边的灭绝范围都很广。很多很多次都有重复。你所要做的就是在youtube上看几个大小比较的视频,看看进化偶尔会自我重复。< / p >

Furthermore based on the estimates for various population sizes it's quite obvious far less then 1% of animals are ever fossilized. So it's not a stretch to assume any number of species ( intelligent or otherwise) could have easily evolved and died out and never left a recognizable trace. And finally... They have found human like species dating back like 4 million years. And 4 million years is a long long time.

In conclusion... I sincerely appreciate the question, but the only correct answer is nobody knows. No one has ever found proof there was ancient civilizations so to some mainstream researchers that means there never was. However since no one alive today was around to witness the past then any answer you get is speculation and opinion. It's quite possible humans have evolved repeatedly, even fairly probably if you look at repeats in the fossil record. Unfortunately there is so much political tension over this subject hardly any one will actually read consider and respond accordingly with an answer opinion or idea. It's possible. That's a fact.. is it probable... In my opinion yes. Any one who tries to definitively tell you it never happened isn't worth their weight in salt.

The most factual correct answer is we haven't found recognizable proof of multiple cycles...nor has any one ever or will any one ever find proof there were not. You can't prove a negative

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