为什么气象气球不能永久留在大气中?-地江南体育网页版球科学堆栈交换江南电子竞技平台 最近30个来自www.hoelymoley.com 2023 - 04 - 01 - t07:39:04z //www.hoelymoley.com/feeds/question/24899 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/rdf //www.hoelymoley.com/q/24899 29 为什么气象气球不能永久留在大气中? user11937382 //www.hoelymoley.com/users/21488 2023 - 02年- 15 - t06:43:29z 2023 - 02年- 18 - t04:00:45z 我读过关于气象气球的文章,文章说气象气球飞行通常持续两个小时左右。当我查到原因时,一些文章说,当气球在大气中飞得足够高时,气球会从低压中爆裂,导致气球内的氢或氦膨胀,直到气球爆裂。< / p >

My question is: if weather balloons always pop when they reach a certain altitude, why don’t they just make sure the balloon is carrying a payload that is too heavy for the balloon to reach that altitude (or put less hydrogen). If these are used by meteorologists and the like, wouldn’t it be cheaper to just leave the balloons in the sky instead of constantly putting new ones up?

//www.hoelymoley.com/questions/24899/-/24900#24900 25 为什么气象气球不能永久留在大气中? 弗雷德 //www.hoelymoley.com/users/2470 2023 - 02年- 15 - t07:37:03z 2023 - 02年- 15 - t07:37:03z

这取决于每个气象气球测量什么;他们在捕捉什么数据。< / p >

Most weather balloons are released as specific times during a 24 hour cycle. Such balloons measure altitude, temperature, air pressure, humidity, etc. as they rise through the atmosphere. This data is used to get a data cross-section through the atmosphere. This allows meteorologists to obtain a better idea of what is occurring with the atmosphere during the course of the day.

Once the balloons have provided this data they've done their job. Constantly supplying data for a specific horizon within the atmosphere, once the balloons have reached their ultimate height is not as useful as knowing the data at various altitudes.

//www.hoelymoley.com/questions/24899/-/24901#24901 35 为什么气象气球不能永久留在大气中? Deditos //www.hoelymoley.com/users/106 2023 - 02年- 15 - t14:29:07z 2023 - 02年- 15 - t14:29:07z 除了能在几个小时内完成一次上升任务的无线电探空仪外,还有在大气中停留数天或数周的<强>漂移探空仪,通常它们的浮力设置为跟踪特定的压力水平。他们通常携带一个下拉探空仪的有效载荷,可以定期部署,在下降的过程中进行采样,就像无线电探空仪在上升过程中所做的那样。由于这些平台比无线电探空仪更大、更昂贵,它们通常用于有针对性的野外作战,特别是在难以发射大量无线电探空仪的地方。关于总结,请参见Cohn et al (2013) https://doi.org/10.1175/BAMS-D-12-00075.1,并且,我已经间接参与了他们提到的其中一个活动,我同意他们的评论:

像飞机的下投式探空仪系统一样,使用漂移探空仪的现场实验涉及巨大的成本,需要大量的提前计划。了解可能的飞行路线并获得飞越许多国家的许可可能需要几个月的时间。如果气球飘过的区域没有获得飞越许可,那么它就必须被砍掉。< / p >

In additional to that difficulty, general reasons why driftsondes can’t stay aloft permanently include,

  • All balloons leak, so they can’t stay aloft indefinitely
  • Balloon materials deteriorate, particularly in extreme temperatures
  • Instruments need power, and solar panels add to weight and complexity
  • Finite number of dropsondes aboard, although that’s not the only type of payload

I notice that (but don’t know much about) the more recent STRATEOLE-2 driftsonde (Haase et al, 2018; https://eos.org/science-updates/around-the-world-in-84-days) can stay aloft for around three months, which means it can circle the equator about three times.

//www.hoelymoley.com/questions/24899/-/24902#24902 8 为什么气象气球不能永久留在大气中? 大卫Hammen //www.hoelymoley.com/users/239 2023 - 02年- 15 - t16:38:55z 2023 - 02年- 15 - t16:38:55z 绝大多数气象气球被设计用来收集地球大气性质的垂直剖面图。这对于气球来说是不可能的,因为气球的高度几乎是恒定的。仅在美国,每天就会发射数百个气象气球,这些气球不断上升,然后就爆了。弹出是有意的。虽然有效载荷可能需要降落伞,但破裂的气球本身不需要。它的工作在弹出点完成 //www.hoelymoley.com/questions/24899/-/24903#24903 1 为什么气象气球不能永久留在大气中? fraxinus //www.hoelymoley.com/users/18660 2023 - 02年- 15 - t17:52:22z 2023 - 02年- 15 - t17:52:22z 没有一种气球可以无限期地飞在空中。气体会从气球中泄漏,气球会慢慢地沉入空中交通带,然后一路下降,同时随风而行。用更好的材料制成的气球越大,停留的时间就越长,但是为了防止空中交通干扰,在设计气球时应该有一定的下降控制。

  1. 新闻中的气球不是一个典型的气象气球。典型的气象气球被用来快速(在几小时内)测量大气热廓线(以及一些与高度有关的其他数据),然后它们爆裂并下降。它们也小得多,通常在2公斤或更少的范围内。它们的电子有效载荷的电源是一个小电池,只能维持预定的任务,所以没有必要让它们升空。把它们变得更大更重只会让它们更危险,没有明显的好处
//www.hoelymoley.com/questions/24899/-/24905#24905 2 为什么气象气球不能永久留在大气中? Sabre //www.hoelymoley.com/users/28495 2023 - 02年- 15 - t19:40:19z 2023 - 02年- 15 - t19:40:19z 有像零压力气球这样的东西,它们很薄,柔韧,不是一个连续的封闭空间,所以它们自动平衡压力,工作起来就像一个充满氦气的降落伞。< / p >

In theory if you could make a material 100% impermeable to helium atoms, and make it in the zero pressure form factor, AND prevent any turbulence at the open end that may scatter and lose helium, you would have a perpetually floating balloon.

Such material would also have to be able to withstand extremes in temperature and radiation. Also since they would hover so close to space small debris puncturing it would be a real threat as well as the particles would not have to go through much atmosphere and therefore have less chance to burn up prior to hitting the balloon.

So impossible? No. Cost effective? Not even close.

Also what happens if you have any equipment malfunction and or want it to come down as new tech evolves? Sure you could have it have a mechanically driven device to cause deflation, provided that is not what malfunctioned ;

All in all impractical on all levels.

But again, NOT impossible.

//www.hoelymoley.com/questions/24899/-/24906#24906 13 为什么气象气球不能永久留在大气中? reirab //www.hoelymoley.com/users/1099 2023 - 02年- 15 - t20:45:46z 2023 - 02 - 16 - t16:43:02z 这有几个原因。其中之一就是空中交通问题。大气中对天气有兴趣的部分(即对流层和较低的平流层)也恰好是几乎所有飞机飞行的地方。这就是为什么当气球操作发生时,会通知空中交通管制,并发出NOTAMs(飞行员通知或美国现在称之为空中任务通知)。对于正常的气球发射来说,气球只会在有潜在危险的高度停留几分钟(在空中交通密度最大的高度只会停留几分钟),所以在发射周围规划空中交通并不是太大的问题。然而,如果气球一直停留在它收集有用信息的高度,它也会一直对空中交通构成威胁。< / p >

An additional reason, as other answers have mentioned, is that the point of weather balloon launches is to collect data for all altitudes from the surface up to at least the lower portions of the stratosphere, not just one altitude. So, the balloon's flight consisting primarily of a climb phase followed by termination is a feature, not a bug. The radiosonde attached to the balloon collects data such as ambient temperature, dew point, air pressure, wind magnitude, and wind direction for all altitudes. This information then aids meteorologists in determining all kinds of useful information, such as precipitation amount forecasts, potential for thunderstorm development, what type (if any) of precipitation would be expected at the surface, as well as at higher altitudes (for aviation weather forecasting,) depth of different air masses during frontal passage, winds aloft, jet stream position, direction, and magnitude, etc. The data collected by the radiosonde looks like this:

Radiosonde data from weather balloon
Recent Radiosonde data from NWS weather balloon launched from Nashville, TN.
Units on the left are air pressure in millibars (with kilometers altitude in red.)
Source: National Weather Service

Additionally, balloons are subject to wind. A lot of wind. Making them stay put in one spot relative to the ground is not so easy, especially in the portions of the atmosphere that are interesting for weather observations, which usually have non-trivial winds aloft, even when the wind is mostly calm at the surface. As seen in the radiosonde data in the picture above, winds aloft were measured up to about 118 knots (136 mph or 219 km/h) in this particular launch. According to the U.S. National Weather Service, even its normal balloon launches can drift as much as 125 miles (200 km) during flight. If you just let the balloons free-float indefinitely, then they won't stay where you want them for long, at least not in the interesting parts of the atmosphere. In order to produce reliable, comparable records, the balloons need to be launched at the specified times from the same positions on the ground. Of course, you can tether balloons to the ground in order to make them stay in a mostly-fixed position, but tethers long enough to reach up to 20 km / 65,000 ft or so are not exactly practical and would also greatly magnify the risk posed to air traffic.

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