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Disclaimer: this question is not about climate change or global warming in general, and does not try to dismiss general human-caused global warming.

The concept of runaway global warming depicts a scenario where the climate enters an unstoppable positive feedback loop, and this scenario is often depicted to happen before all fossil fuels have been used up. This topic often comes up in discussions about how long fossil fuels will last, with a warning that the planet would be uninhabitable if (or before) all fossil fuels were used up.

However, all these fossil fuels were once in the atmosphere in the form of CO2, before they ended up absorbed by plants. Why didn't Venus-like conditions form back then, and since they didn't, why could the result be different in the future?

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    $\begingroup$ The climate system is highly non linear. Also, the rate at which you are putting $\ce{CO2}$ into the atmosphere matters as well as the amount. Also, various other parameters such as the distribution of land masses and ocean currents were different back then. In other words, the situation now is not directly comparable to the situation when all the $\ce{CO2}$ was last in the atmosphere. $\endgroup$
    –bon
    Jan 4, 2018 at 17:06
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    $\begingroup$ 烃存款我们现在燃烧了hundreds of millions of years to form. All of the $\text{CO}_2$ that formed the basis for those deposits was not in the atmosphere at the same time. That said, an anthropogenic runaway greenhouse (à la Venus) is highly dubious. What could happen is a climate shift that results in a large portion of the Earth being uninhabitable / unusable by humans. $\endgroup$
    –David Hammen
    Jan 4, 2018 at 19:01
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    $\begingroup$ @vsz - It's quite possibly"impossible to feed billions, period". Don't use over the top scare stories about humanity killing off all life, forever. Life will survive (albeit possibly at a reduced level for a geologically short while). That we might be killing off our own great grandchildren should be more than enough to motivate action. $\endgroup$
    –David Hammen
    Jan 4, 2018 at 19:34
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    $\begingroup$ It's also worth noting here that the vast majority of the Earth's original carbon dioxide is now locked up in various carbonate minerals such as calcite. $\endgroup$
    –BillDOe
    Jan 4, 2018 at 19:41
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    $\begingroup$ @DavidHammen, you give a very helpful knowledgeable answer and I'd love to see it fleshed out as a full answer so it could be upvoted and edited and such. Always good to see people take the time to well answer challenges to the established position, and I think you're initial response well does that :-) $\endgroup$
    –JeopardyTempest
    Jan 4, 2018 at 21:32

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The largest reservoir of carbon is the rocks (sedimentary rocks) which reach into the order of the million gigatons (Gt). Over millions of years, part of that carbon have been released to the atmosphere by volcanoes. However, the amount of carbon in the atmosphere remains fairly stable because chemical erosion of rocks and plants capture that carbon excess and put it back in the geological reservoir. There is about 4.700 Gt of fossil fuels, and the Atmosphere contain only 760 Gt of carbon. So, if we burn all fossil fuels slowly, lets say over many millenia, there is not a problem, plants and erosion will keep the balance. However, if we burn it quickly, let's say over few centuries, the greenhouse effect can be so strong that can kill many plant ecosystems and rise sea level, therefore reducing the surface area of rocks exposed to chemical weathering. Both effects would reduce the capacity of the system to restore the equilibrium, therefore it could take many millenia before all that carbon is returned to the geological reservoir so that temperatures can return to normal. An extreme runaway case, like what happened in Venus, is unlikely to happen on Earth, but we don't really know. If temperatures ever reach to the point that oceans boil, then, there is a possibility that Earth might become like Venus forever.enter image description here

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    $\begingroup$ Good answer. To complement: you have to remember that water vapor is the main greenhouse gas. There exists a warming positive feedback loop in which warming leads to -> increased evaporation of water increasing water vapor -> more warming. The problem is, as you stated, we don't know at what temperatures this positive feedback is stronger than the other negative feedback loops (but I would still guess it is way before the oceans start boiling). $\endgroup$
    –Communisty
    Jan 5, 2018 at 8:20
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    $\begingroup$ You are right. But is also important to note that despite water is the main greenhouse gas, it IS NOT the driver of warming. Because water vapour content can't change independent of temperature. $\endgroup$
    –Camilo Rada
    Jan 5, 2018 at 16:35
  • $\begingroup$ This is a very interesting answer, but would greatly benefit from some citations. Also, some answers to related questions claim that plants cannot continuously bind carbon, because it is released again after the plant's death and decomposition, so only the increase of vegetation mass reduces carbon, not the continuous existence of it. The answer would also benefit from addressing this topic as well. $\endgroup$
    –vsz
    Jan 5, 2018 at 21:59
  • $\begingroup$ It is true that the carbon contained in plants is released when they die and decompose. However, part of those dead plants, before decomposing gets buried somehow and transformed into sedimentary rocks (of which fossil fuels like coal is one example). And over long enough periods of time the amount of carbon stored in sedimentary rocks can be considerable. In contrast to the figure, some estimates put the sedimentary rocks carbon reservoir in the 40 million Gt range. $\endgroup$
    –Camilo Rada
    Jan 5, 2018 at 23:55
  • $\begingroup$ Good answer, but I question "several millenia". I have read tens or hundreds of millenia. $\endgroup$
    –Keith McClary
    Jan 9, 2018 at 23:10
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"All fossil fuels" is a grey area. A lot of carbonate rock doesn't make good fuel. There's also a lot of deep shale rock that might be considered fossil fuel that's unlikely to be used up because it's too hard to get to, though it can be fracked and a percentage of it could be used.

同时,化石燃料的数量需要布鲁里溃疡rned (and the rate of use), that might get to a runaway global warming is uncertain but could be enormous. Perhaps orders of magnitude above our current projecte rate of consumption. The Wikipedia article onRunaway Greenhousesays:

As the Sun becomes 10% brighter in about one billion years' time, the surface temperature of Earth will reach 47 °C (117 °F), causing the temperature of Earth to rise rapidly and its oceans to boil away until it becomes a greenhouse planet similar to Venus today.

地球表面平均温度是铜rrently about 16° C, and was about 15° C 50 years ago. Even the highest current IPCC projections are a far cry from the 47 degree estimate. And while there's some uncertainty in these numbers, there's at least a pretty good chance that the runaway greenhouse transition point is out of our reach.

Why is runaway global warming a possibilitydespite all current fossil fuel deposits once having been in the atmosphere?

The Earth used to have a lot more CO2in the atmosphere hundreds of millions and billions of years ago, though there is some uncertainty as to how thick the atmosphere was, so good atmospheric models are impossible, but it's likely that CO2levels were orders of magnitude higher a couple billion years ago than they are today, but that wasn't a too much heat problem because the Sun was smaller and less luminous.

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This chart gives an idea of how the transition happened, and, during Earth's past, the Earth was in fact, believed tohave been a snowballfor extended periods, even with higher CO2.

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Also seeFaint Young Sun Paradox.

There are other factors. Volcanic activity puts particulates and SO2high in the atmosphere that reflects sunlight and cools the Earth and Earth was probably more volcanic hundreds of millions and billions of years ago. Large meteor impacts like the Chicxulub impactcreate flash warmingfollowed by years ofsignificant coolingcaused by dust and ash blasted into the upper atmosphere.

There were, certainly, large enough meteors impacts during the late-heavy bombardment that the oceans boiled away and Earth was heated up and the atmosphere was hot and filled with water-vapor as well as CO2, but those were fleeting periods in geological time. The dust and debris blown into the atmosphere leads to fairly rapid cooling following those large impacts.

The sun was too cold in the Earth's past for Earth to ever experience a runaway greenhouse effect, but in a billion years or so,that is expected to change.

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